> This is basic materials science and the reason why EVs need tougher tires.

Exactly. Tires are formulated to the load they are designed to carry. It's why semis don't have to make a pit stop every 2 miles for new tires.

But, like I said, brake dust is _far_ worse, and nearly eliminated with EVs:

https://electrek.co/2025/05/27/another-way-electric-cars-cle...

> I dont get why we're comparing F150s to the Model Y.

Because one is the most popular gas car, the other the most popular EV. Removing an engine and adding batteries increases weight, sure, but that doesn't have anything to do with the average weight that's on the road. You have to tax things based on what's actually out there, not what _would_ be out there if you took the existing fleet and turned them EV. Batteries are expensive, so there's incentive not to use so much and make the car smaller and more efficient instead. That doesn't happen with gas cars.

> A long range model Y weighs about a little bit less, but the difference is less than 100 lb.

Yeah, I know. That's all I was saying. You said the average EV weighed more. In fact, it's less.

It is more stark than that, though. The most popular F150 in 2025 is the Lariat SuperCrew, which has a 5300 lb curb weight. The model Y has a curb weight of 4400 pounds.

The next most popular gas car is some Chevy pickup. The next more popular EV is the Model 3.