micromacrofoot 2 days ago

I think usb-c and third party app stores are pretty cool

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umbra07 2 days ago

I think the government shouldn't be legislating that companies must use a specific USB connector.

Realistically the legislation was only targeting Apple. If consumers want USB-C, then they can vote with their wallets and buy an Android, which is a reasonable alternative.

vintermann 1 day ago

It used to be the case in Europe that you couldn't use a washing machine made for Sweden in Norway. Everything was different. Every country had its own standards too, which had to certify your products. It was openly for protectionistic reasons.

EU got rid of that. It only makes sense that they don't let private companies start all that crap up again. If states don't get to use artificial technological barriers as protectionism, certainly Apple shouldn't be allowed to either.

msgodel 2 days ago

They shouldn't be forcing people to use patented Qualcomm technology to access cellular networks either but here we are.

Realistically Apple's connector adds no value and if they want to sell into markets like the EU they need to cut that kind of thing out.

umbra07 2 days ago

> Realistically Apple's connector adds no value

Like I said, usb-c is a regression from lightning in multiple ways.

* Lightning is easier to plug in.

* Lightning is a physically smaller connector.

* USB-C is a much more mechanically complex port. Instead of a boss in a slot, you have a boss with a slot plugging into a slot in a boss.

There was so much buzz around Apple no longer including a wall wort with its phones, which meant an added cost for the consumer, and potentially an increased environmental impact if enough people were going to say, order a wall wort online and shipped to them. The same logic applies to Apple forced to switch to USB, except that the costs are now multiplied.

fkyoureadthedoc 2 days ago

Having owned both lighting and USB-C iPhones/iPads, I prefer the USB-C experience, but neither were that bad.

My personal biggest gripe with lightning was that the spring contacts were in the port instead of the cable, and when they wore out you had to replace the phone instead of the cable. The lightning port was not replaceable. In practice I may end up breaking more USB-C ports, we'll see.

micromacrofoot 2 days ago

I've worked with thousands of both types of cable at this point

> Lightning is easier to plug in.

according to you? neither are at all difficult

> Lightning is a physically smaller connector.

I've had lightning cables physically disassemble in the port, the size also made them somewhat delicate

> USB-C is a much more mechanically complex port.

much is a bit well, much... they're both incredibly simple mechanically — the exposed contacts made lightning more prone to damage

I've had multiple Apple devices fail because of port wear on the device. Haven't encountered this yet with usb-c

> The same logic applies to Apple forced to switch to USB, except that the costs are now multiplied.

Apple would have updated inevitably, as they did in the past — now at least they're on a standard... the long-term waste reduction is very likely worth the switch (because again, without the standard they'd have likely switched to another proprietary implementation)

flmontpetit 2 days ago

It's hard to see the benefit in letting every hardware manufacturer attempt to carve out their own little artificial interconnect monopoly and flood the market with redundant, wasteful solutions.

micromacrofoot 2 days ago

We've had multiple USB standards for decades with no end in sight. Apple was targeted because they have the most high-profile proprietary connector and they were generally using it to screw consumers. Good riddance.

umbra07 2 days ago

Like I said, if consumers don't want it, then they can buy Android phones instead.

> they were generally using it to screw consumers

You understand that there were lots of people happy with Lightning? USB-C is a regression in many ways.

boroboro4 2 days ago

I want to have USB-C and I want to have iPhone.

I’m very happy EU regulators took this headache off my shoulders and I don’t need to keep multiple chargers at home, and can be almost certain I can find a charger in restaurant if I need it.

Based on the reaction of my friends 90% of people supported this change and were very enthusiastic about it.

I have zero interest in being part of vendor game to lock me in.

umbra07 2 days ago

Products are supposed to come with different tradeoffs. I want to have an Android and I want to have my headphone jack back. That doesn't mean that the EU should make that a law.

> Based on the reaction of my friends 90% of people supported this change and were very enthusiastic about it.

That is an absolutely worthless metric, and you know it.

Aeolos 2 days ago

It's about as useful as your complaining.

Good riddance for Lightning.

micromacrofoot 2 days ago

Why bother arguing the point if you're not going to provide a single example.