jncfhnb 3 days ago

If you hire someone to build you an office or office furniture, you are creating a long lived asset so it is capitalized

If you hire someone to clean your office, you are not creating an asset so it is expensed

Building software is generally creating a long lived asset

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MrDarcy 3 days ago

This comment is misleading and misses the point.

When you buy an office chair you capitalize the asset on your books.

The chair manufacturer in turn pays wages to a person to construct the chair. Those wages are not capitalized, the manufacturer deducts them fully when they are incurred.

The main issue is that “software manufacturers” must now depreciate those same wages over 5 years. Which is unique and does not pass a basic common sense sniff test.

jncfhnb 1 day ago

That is not correct.

The chair manufacturer capitalizes the costs of factory wages into inventory.

They are expenses as cost of goods sold when the inventory is sold.

Which makes sense because they have realized 100% of the value of those expenses when it is sold.

hintymad 3 days ago

Thanks. Capitalized expense means the expense can be amortized over years? If so, the short-term profit can be higher than expensed cost? That sounds bad in this context as more profit means more tax. However, the OP seems to argue that capitalized expense is good for tech companies.

In the meantime, the parent comment says "Depreciating means that if you pay an engineer $200k in a year, in tax-world you only had $40k of real expense that year, even though you paid them $200k." and then "So the effect is that it makes engineers much more expensive". This seems to also imply that capitalized expense is worse for tech companies?

jncfhnb 1 day ago

Capitalized means it’s treated as an investment into an asset rather than just a cost of doing business. The reason we do this is because we want revenue and expenses to reasonably match the time period where their value comes into play.

For example, if you build 100 widgets for $1M this year, the labor and materials cost of those widgets are capitalized into inventory. Next year you sell them all for $2M.

Capitalization rules would say you had no profit or loss in the first year, and $1M profit in the second year because the cost of the inventory gets expensed when the inventory is sold.

Fixed assets like buildings, machinery, and now software have pre defined lifetimes that the expense is realized over. In the case of software, it’s 5 years.

Tech companies don’t like this because they want to front load recognition of expenses to pay less taxes today.

PaulDavisThe1st 3 days ago

> Capitalized expense means the expense can be amortized over years?

In the case of Sec 174, not can but must.