zer00eyz 6 days ago

> I use AI extensively for my own learning, and it's helping me a lot. On the other hand, it gets work done quickly and poorly.

> small handful of dum-dums made it all the way to exam without having connected two dots, and I have to fail them ... won't lead them to a meaningful existence

I don't see a problem, the system is working.

The same group of people that are going to loose their job to an LLM arent getting smarter because of how they are using LLM's.

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presentation 6 days ago

Ideally the system would encourage those dum-dums to realize they need to change their ways before they're screwed. Unless the system working is that people get screwed and cause problems for the rest of society.

eru 6 days ago

I want to agree with your point, but also: someone who's middle-class enough to make it to uni in the first place won't cause much trouble for society.

Paternalism in the sense of 'we know what's better for you than you do' is perhaps justified for those people who really don't know better. But I don't think we should overextend that notion.

presentation 6 days ago

Well given that the article is about young people in schools, a little paternalism isn’t a bad thing.

eru 6 days ago

Well, they also have actual parents.

I have to apologise, I was under this impression this thread was about university students, who should be old enough to fend for themselves (and enjoy respectively suffer from the consequences of their own actions). But I don't think anyone actually mentioned that age in the thread. I mixed it up with another one.

sshine 5 days ago

The students I teach are pre-university. It's called business school, and if a BSc is level 7, MSc is level 8 and PhD is level 9, then this is level 5. So they can become good programmers, but there's no math in the whole study programme.

sshine 5 days ago

> The same group of people that are going to loose their job to an LLM arent getting smarter because of how they are using LLM's.

Students who use LLMs and professional programmers who use LLMs: I wouldn't say it's necessarily the same group of people.

Sure, their incentives are the same, and they're equally unlikely to maintain jobs in the future.

But students can be told that their approach to become AI secretaries isn't going to pan out. They're not actively sacrificing a career because they're out of options. They can still learn valuable skills, because what they were taught has not been made redundant yet, unlike mediocre programmers who can only just compete with LLM gunk.