Terr_ 1 day ago

> LLMs already break key aspects and assumptions of the 'Document Simulator'. [...] The “document-simulator” picture collapses that distinction, treating a dynamic decision process as if it were a block of pre-written prose. It's just nonsensical.

I feel you've erected a strawman under your this "document simulator" phrase of yours, something you've arbitrarily defined as a strictly one-shot process for creating an immutable document. Yeah, it's boring and "nonsensical" because you made it that way.

In contrast, everybody else here has been busy talking about iterative systems which do permit interaction, because the document is grown via alternate passes of (A) new content from external systems or humans and (B) new content predicted by the LLM.

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og_kalu 1 day ago

I’m not arbitrarily defining it as a one-shot process. I’m pointing out how strained your “movie-script” (your words, not mine) comparison is.

>You can have an interview with a vampire DraculaBot, but that character can only "self-reflect" in the same shallow/fictional way that it can "thirst for blood" or "turn into a cloud of bats."

The "shallow/fictional way" only exists because of the limited, immutable nature of real scripts. A 'script' that does not have either of these properties would not necessarily produce characters that only reflect in a shallow manner.

Text that’s generated on-the-fly-while interrogating the user, calling tools, and updating its own working context-isn’t anything like a screenplay whose pages are fixed in advance.

There's no strawman here. You've decided that an LLM is not something you want to attribute a 'real' entity to and this is your rationalization for that.

Terr_ 1 day ago

> I’m pointing out how strained your “movie-script” (your words, not mine) comparison is. [...] the limited, immutable nature of real scripts [...] a screenplay whose pages are fixed in advance.

You are confused and again attacking an idea nobody else has advanced.

Even in my very first comment starting the thread, I explicitly stated that the "movie-script" is mutable, with alternate phases of "contributing" and "autocompleted" content as it grows.

og_kalu 1 day ago

Seriously what's so hard to understand that the things you are claiming are the result of a LLM that is analogous to a script are only properties of the kinds of scripts LLMs are not (and so have no leg to stand on)?

This is not a hard concept to grasp. I know what you are claiming. It doesn't automatically make your argument sound.

To call something that does not have the properties of a script a script is odd in the first place, but to realize that and still assume behaviors that are only the result of the properties you realize are not even present in your new 'script' is just bizzare.

I'm not confused. You are.