conductr 1 day ago

It’s my biggest gripe. They can pretty accurately flag a number as Spam or Telemarketing but in the “Silence Unknown Callers” setting I can only silence every single unknown caller. I can’t silence every single number that’s not in my contacts. When the plumber calls to confirm he’s in route, my phone needs to ring. Stuff like that.

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zbirkenbuel 1 day ago

I would have assumed an unknown caller was defined as any number not in your contacts. what is it instead?

AStonesThrow 1 day ago

In the realm of Caller ID, a phone number may be "PRIVATE" (or "WITHHELD") or "UNKNOWN". An "UNKNOWN" Caller ID cannot display any name nor any number, because... they are not known to the switch.

Therefore, an unknown number that can be blocked/ignored by your phone or the app is one that doesn't support Caller ID's name or number functions. It doesn't have anything to do with who's in your Contacts app, because of course those consist of known names and known numbers.

conductr 1 day ago

There is a defined type “Unknown” which I think you’re describing but it’s Not exactly how the iOS feature works. It says let’s through those in your contacts or who you’ve had recent conversations with and Siri suggestions. It’s basically a dumb proxy for letting through people you might actually want to talk with. Except sometimes you don’t know who/where/when those calls are coming from and I haven’t spoken to them before.

bdangubic 1 day ago

it is super fucking easy. it has been a decade since I answered an unknown number. if plumber calls (and I dont have her/his number stored) it goes to voicemail. I then call known company number. The communication is always one-way, I call you. I never answer. You follow this one very simple rule and you good :)

VectorLock 1 day ago

Theres plenty of situations where this doesn't work. If you're called from a business central line and you don't know their extension you just call back and get the normal call tree which can take you forever to get through. Or if you're on the "cancellation list" for an appointment if they can't get through to you, they don't wait for you to call back, they just go on to the next person to schedule in their open slot.

AStonesThrow 1 day ago

Taxi cab dispatchers will do this for sure. They do callbacks to “confirm” your ride, especially when busy, because if you don’t answer, they simply drop your request on the sticky office floor.

bdangubic 22 hours ago

this is a loss of business for them, not my problem. it is 2025, if they do not have map where i can track where they are etc.. imma not going to be using that service...

bdangubic 1 day ago

it always works mate, it always works

conductr 1 day ago

Glad it works for you, I’m not allergic to the phone like seemingly everyone else so I strive to minimize phone tag BS and would rather answer the calls I get and filter out known spam, it’s not rocket science it’s probably only 2 lines of code in the phone app

If call is spam and ignore spam option enabled, send call to voicemail.

That’s it, a simple line of code. Just make the option selectable and it’s done.

intrasight 1 day ago

I've failed to semantically parse your statements

UltraSane 1 day ago

Why would a number in your contacts be considered "unknown"

bflesch 1 day ago

iphone has been enshittified for several years now, it seems apple engineers are not using their own phones any more. I can understand it - when you're a millionaire just from your corporate job you won't be a stressed power user of your own iphones.

conductr 1 day ago

It’s not that it got worse, this feature has just never been great. It just feels half baked , which I agree a lot of Apple software has been trending towards. That said, what has increased is the volume of spam calls. So the importance of this feature has also increased.

It’s sad because this seems like such a low hanging fruit for a big improvement. At some point in the relatively recent past, they added the indicator of the caller being a spammer or telemarketer. Seems like that would have been a good time to also enhance this filter but it seems nobody ever connected the dots on that one. Or if I’m being even more cynical, some engineer actually decided he’d rather everyone see his work on every incoming spam call instead of his work quietly improving everyone’s experience

chiggsy 20 hours ago

>some engineer actually decided

No sane person would flaunt Apple secrecy in such a fashion whilst employed there.

>instead of his work quietly improving everyone’s experiBence

Laughable that you feel that Apple engineers have the capacity for this kind of desire in 2025. If they did, Xcode would be way better to use. They cant even quietly improve their own experience.

conductr 17 hours ago

Whatever man, I'm not trying to shit on them like you want me to. I think adding this simple feature that is likely little more than a line or two of code is a night an day comparison to overhauling something like Xcode to meet your definition of what "better" means

throwaway314155 1 day ago

That seems...overly dramatic. Further, enshittification as a concept generally refers to VC/growth-hacking style situations.