Just wanted to share how American AI safety is censoring classical Romanian/European stories because of "violence". I mean OpenAI APIs, our children are capable to handle a story where something violent might happen but seems in USA all stories need to be sanitized Disney style where every conflict is fixed witht he power of love, friendship, singing etc.
One fun thing is that the Grimm brothers did this too, they revised their stories a bit once they realized they could sell to parents who wouldn't approve of everything in the original editions (which weren't intended to be sold as children's books in the first place).
And, since these were collected oral stories, they would certainly have been adapted to their audience on the fly. If anything, being adaptable to their circumstances is the whole point of a fairy story, that's why they survived to be retold.
Good that we still have popular stories with no author that will have to suck up to VISA or other USA big tech and change the story into a USA level of PG-13. where the bad wolf is not allowed to spill blood by eating a bad child, but would be acceptable for the child to use guns and kill the wolf.
Very good point. I think most people would find it hard to grasp just how violent some of the Brothers Grimm stories are.
Many find it hard to grasp that punishment is earned and due, whether or not the punishment is violent.
There are legitimate philosophical questions about the purpose of punishment, and whether it actually does what we want it to do.
>There are legitimate philosophical questions about the purpose of punishment, and whether it actually does what we want it to do.
But we are talking about stories, and I mean non commercial, people stories. The punishment can be that a baby bird ignores the mother advice , gets hurt and dies in the cold winter. The idea of the story is clear, children must lsiten to the parents or they can get hurt, now maybe in the stories with the bad wolf you might claim that in modern time it is bad to tell the story because the wolf gets the capital punishment s we need to "Disneyify" the story and have the bad wolf sent to therapy with therapy rabbits and he will become a productive member of society again.
Anyway from all this comments on this thread it seems americans only know of Disney and tghe Grim brothers, no one could concieve I am talking about a much larger diversity of stories.
Sure, but classic folktales weren't intended for children. They were stories largely for adults.
Indeed, the Grimm brothers did not intend their books for children initially. They were supposed to be scholarly works, but no one seems to have told the people buying the books who thought they were tales for children and complained that the books weren't suitable enough for children.
Eventually they caved to pressure and made major revisions in later editions, dropping unsuitable stories, adding new stories and eventually illustrations specifically to appeal to children.
>Sure, but classic folktales weren't intended for children. They were stories largely for adults.
Really?
Stories with child ignores parents and they get hurt were made of adults ?
i was not talking about stories where udnead creatures come at night and kill your very young baby.
I am not talking about those storie, most stories have a bad character that does bad things, and that is in the end punished in a brutal way, With American AI you can't have a bad wolf that eats young goats or children unless he eats them maybe very lovingly, and you can't have this bad wolf punished by getting killed in a trap.